In a message dated 10/13/00 9:04:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Edward.Chou@sybase.com writes: SPOILER!!! DON'T READ!!! SPOILER!!! DON'T READ!!! SPOILER!!! DON'T READ!!! SPOILER!!! DON'T READ!!! << and i am actually one of few who dislikes Reinhard, cuz i think he is selfish, and i blame him for Kircheis' death. and also he broke his vow that he won't let his descendents inherit the throne after his death, >> There is something similar to this in the "Lord Conrad" series by Leo Frankowski. I think the situation was brought up in Volume 5 "Lord Conrad's Lady."