Youse guys gots ta change the topic now and then, especially when you've gone SO astray... ;->= Don't forget that Battlestar Galactica, which I still love as an admitted guilty pleasure because of SOOO much drek, showed that you could lose a ship without destroying/making useless, i.e. Pegasus. A rejoining could have been awesome. The archives of science fiction tele are filled with shows that started slow, showed promise, and were canceled before given a chance to gel. IMNSHO, Earth, Final Conflict showed much promise, and should have been canceled sometime ago. I will always wonder about Space: Above and Beyond. That said, I really am uncomfortable watching Andromeda, but will try the episodes mentioned. As an even further OT, I've enjoyed ST, occasionally as much as B5, but realized I was watching utopian vs. dystopian bents, and altered my expectations accordingly. Well, DS9 has been less so. Back to LoGH(if one is going to rant and rave, that one owes the list SOME on-topic), has anyone suggestions for small models of Imp and Fed ships? I'm trying to make a few myself, but I lack talent and patience, and the resin items from Japan are a bit large and expensive. I've Star Blazers, ST, SW, B5, and many other systems' figs, but nothing looks right. I give the Macross 1/20000 Quiltra-Quelual fair marks, but only for the Fed cannon fodder, and, for fleets on a table top, it's still a bit large. As I'm currently working with disposable cutlery handles and plastic model plane bombs as starting places, I'm welcoming most any suggestions. As a space miniatures game I enjoy, Full Thrust, was kind enough to mention LoGH, I've decided to stop thinking about it and get to work... The_Beast -Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon One World, one Web, one Program - Microsoft promotional ad Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - Adolf Hitler