[LoGH] Non-member submission from [Wayne Yin ] (fwd)
Hank Wong (hankwong@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU)
Sun, 27 May 2001 17:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
If responding to this message, please limit your comments to the
historical and LoGH aspects.
Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wayne Yin
Reply-To: why@alumni.utexas.net
Subject: Re: [LoGH] Pearl Harbor (off-topic about war movies)
To: logh@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
whoa, talk about off-topic!
but to at least try and draw a connection with LoGH... i don't think
that anyone was ever able to launch a pearl harbor like attack in the
LoGH series, were they? presumably because everyone has good sensors,
so you can't really sneak up on your opponents while they are sleeping,
but then even if you could sneak up to iserlohn for example... then
what?
i also don't remember seeing any evidence of jamming or electronic
warfare (recognizable) in the series. is that an oversight in the
writing? then again, the fleets on both sides are probably too big to
hide anyway!
now to get off-topic...
--- Sampo Haarlaa wrote:
> Hello.
>
> My intention was to gather a group of friends when it comes here,
> make some japanese banners (or some other suitable items) and go
> to a premiere and scream things like Tora! Tora! Tora! as a
> protest for hollywood filmmakers (for raping history), but since
> I will leave to japan for three weeks next saturday I won't be
> able to do it.
heh. there will be plenty of right-wing, ultra-nationalist fanatics at
movie theaters here in japan, too, planning to do just that!
but what i find kind of hard to believe is how many of these guys (the
younger ones) who believe that japan was actually WINNING the war right
up until the end, when the US played the atomic trump card! (in other
words, that america could not defeat japan fair and square, and sank to
resorting to nukes out of desperation.)
> Granted, I should not rate a movie until I have seen one, but
> since Bruckenhaimer/Bay combination has not produced anything
> even barely watchable, I believe their capabilities are not up
> to task of this story*
well, i won't get to see it for myself until it opens 7/14 in japan.
so no spoilers, please! i don't want to know how it ends! oh, wait, i
already know what happened at pearl harbor...
(actually, i already know from watching the movie trailers how
bruckheimer/bay plan to end the movie with an upbeat note, but i won't
spoil the ending for anyone here.)
> By the way, I could dig up a novel (I think it was called
> 'Vietnam', but I don't remember it author right now) about
> a hollywood screenwriter who writes a succesful Vietnam
> trilogy which shows that USA kicked butt, producer of course
> demanded it.
uhmn... technically the US *was* kicking butt in vietnam, since the US
army defeated the NVA every time they fought. (ia drang valley came
pretty close to a defeat for the US, though, but for the intervention
of massive airpower.) but wasn't vietnam the quintessential example of
winning the battle(s) and losing the war? i remember reading in
someone's memoirs how at the geneva talks, one US officer said to his
NVA counterpart, "you have never managed to defeat us in battle," to
which he replied, "true, but irrelevant."
