Re: [LoGH] Pearl Harbor (off-topic about war movies)
Michael Mikulis (mmikulis@hotmail.com)
Wed, 30 May 2001 17:53:54
>
>We were dumb and arrogant.
True enough.
In naval battles the fleet and bases are all
>that matters. The last thing they needed was a fully formed up Plan
>Orange battle line sitting astride their supply lines as they headed
>towards whatever. Nope, it had to be the fleet or nothing.
If you look at a map, several U.S. territories were alot closer to Japan
than Hawai. attacking Pearl Harbor all the way from japan is not something
anyone without hindsight would expect (whether they should have been
prepared for it is different).
>
> > There can't be anymore Pearl Harbors since the capital of the U.S.
>Pacific
> > Fleet has been moved back to San Diego. Roosevelt moved it to Pearl
>Harbor
> > in order to send a message of strength to the Japanese and effectively
>put
> > it in striking range. also, the U.S. keeps most of its fleet out of
>port
> > now anyways.
>
>Oh dear. We certainly CAN be Pearl Harbored again. We keep ships going
>50-60% of the time, but there are only so many bases that can service
>carriers and so many subs we can successfully track. Wake-homing
>torpedoes, Shkvals, SSN19 Shipwreck missiles, heavy minelaying and the
>usual cruise missiles could do quite a bit to hurt the USN. Heck, a few
>well-placed modern AT missiles should be able to disable anything Aegis
>or smaller. No it won't be the whole fleet all at once but the effect
>could be the same.
>
I'm not going to argue about choice of words and semantics. A carrier can
be taken out by missiles, but it is hard to simultaneously attack every
U.S. carrier group throughout the world (and have the facilities to launch
missiles over the entire planet).
>
>Japanese caution was largely due to fuel considerations. It was combat
>maneuvering or go home, not both.
No it wasn't. I've heard a couple of reasons given, but not that one.
> > In LOGH terms, you give a surprise attack to an aggressive commander
>like
> > Mittermeyer or even Bittenfeld and not a cautious commander.
>
>Ahhh, now THERE is a board topic- how would WWII go with the LGH cast
>members in place of the historical figures? Reinhard as a populist
>Prussian general that the Germans warm up to as opposed to Hitler's
>nationalistic terror machine, and Yang as an American admiral?
>Costarring Phezzan as a kind of Swiss Illuminati.
Note:
Hitler overode his army high command in the battle of Frasnce (in fasvor of
Manstein and guderian), which is why it fell so quickly.
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